CALL NUMBER: T3217:0001 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Don MacLaren discusses: background- born in Ottawa, moved to Calgary in 1898, went to McGill University in 1912, joined Royal Flying Corps in Toronto in 1917, with air force until 1920; locating seaplane station at Jericho Beach; fisheries patrol, forestry work done by seaplane station; 1924, he decided to go into business himself -- bought a seaplane, took over Jericho Beach station, bought a flying boat; at this time, the air board became the Royal Canadian Airforce; got fisheries contract from military; partner at the time of Ernest Rogers; cost of buying good new planes- Fokkers, Fairchilds, Junkers; decided to sell company to Western Canadian Airways, but he stayed on; opened base in False Creek area and business started- taxi service to anywhere in province, 2 trips a day to Seattle; passenger load of planes at the time; jobs done- carrying miners up north, ridding the hemlock of an inch worm, dealing with a spruce budworm up north, ambulance cases, photography for timber cruisers, fishery patrol, mail contract. TRACK 2: Don MacLaren discusses: getting the mail contract (cont'd); navigation in the 1920s and '30s; differences between types of planes; training he received at Long Branch; bush pilot business; the Aero Club of B.C.; anecdote about a military parade; Burns Lake operation. CALL NUMBER: T3217:0002 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Don MacLaren discusses: the emergence of Canadian Airways; training pilots in Winnipeg; communication on airplanes in mid 1920s- no reliable radio; more about the Aero Club; Sea Island story; difficulty in convincing people that airplanes were a good form of transportation; H.R. MacMillan; near accident anecdote. TRACK 2: Don MacLaren discusses: difficulties with injured people in the bush; round-the-world flights; lack of training caused the downfall of some operations; problem of landing on glassy water; difference between bush flights and commercial flights; experiences in the Queen Charlottes; pilchard patrol story; relationship between CNR and the airline; Grant McConnachie; story about Paddy Burke. CALL NUMBER: T3217:0003 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Don MacLaren discusses: more on the Paddy Burke crash story; no search-and-rescue formal operation until the war; McAlpin expedition; gliding; more on the Aero Club of B.C. (End of interview)

CALL NUMBER: T4265:0082 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Earl L. MacLeod RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-07-17 SUMMARY: Earl L. MacLeod was born ca. 1894. World War I flier. Stayed in RAF after war then came back to Canada and joined Canadian Air Board and later RCAF. TRACK 1: Discusses early flying in B.C. before and ;after World War I. TRACK 2: Discusses early pilots. [Duplicates T4265:0083 after first few minutes.];

CALL NUMBER: T4265:0083 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Earl L. McLeod RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-07-17 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Discusses trying to become a pilot in World War I and early training. TRACK 2: Discusses formation of Canadian Air Board.;

CALL NUMBER: T4265:0084 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Earl L. McLeod RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-07-17 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Early Canadian Air Board activity. TRACK 2: Early B.C. activity and fishery patrols.;

CALL NUMBER: T4265:0085 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Earl L. McLeod RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-07-17 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Fishery patrols and smugglers. Chilliwack Airport. TRACK 2: Blank.;

CALL NUMBER: T3219:0001 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Gordon Ballentine discusses: background -- born in Vancouver, first interest in airplanes; got involved with an airplane club and met Don MacLaren; first job for MacLaren was as a crew man in; 1928; learning to fly; rebuilding an old H boat; met Harold Davenport; fisheries patrol; losing planes and pilots in the early days; story of the Queen Charlotte Islands crash that he was in when he was a crew man- quite an adventure; aircraft technology at the time (early 1930s); Queen Charlotte Islands -- seeing an Albino crow. TRACK 2: Gordon Ballentine: anecdote about Moresby Island incident; fisheries patrol- worked there in the summer, even when he was a Canadian Airways pilot in 1938 and 1939; enjoyed the fisheries work; Indians in the Queen Charlottes and northern Vancouver Island; first pilots were all with the Royal Canadian Air Force; Aero Club stories; flying in the Cariboo; the Zeballos gold rush; ski flying planes vs. flying float planes; describes some characters of early aviation in B.C.; competition between Yukon Southern and Canadian Airways; coastal flying was more prevalent at the time; flew Junkers through Winnipeg in WW II; operations in the interior were very small; weather conditions when flying are very important; early radio communication. CALL NUMBER: T3219:0002 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Gordon Ballentine discusses: patrolling the fishing industry; little drinking on planes; mechanic not always on flight; air engineer exams- he passed, but never really did mechanical work; merging of different airlines; longevity of engines; planes he flew with Canadian Pacific; de-icing process- some bad experiences with ice. TRACK 2: Gordon Ballentine: continuation of a story about flying across the Rockies; search and rescue operations; did not expect to make money out of flying -- he just loved it; only damaged a plane once, in 1938; Canadian Airways ran a very good operation; description of his first flight, and his first solo flight; glider school- how it started, his involvement in it; Aircraft Charter Services; competition between airlines; story about flying a commercial plane after he retired; as a young pilot, he was very cautious; landing a plane in very poor visibility. CALL NUMBER: T3219:0003 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Gordon Ballentine discusses: story about former attorney-general Wismer; carrying a hidden gun; during war, you had to guard all the airplanes; guns were eventually not carried by pilots; differences in training now and in the early days of aviation- learning through soaking up the knowledge of others; different medical standards today; airplanes were much more individual in the old days; Canadian Airways sent him down to Seattle to take a course- learned a lot; Canadian Airways- a very good operation; the Flying Seven -- women pilots; bombing practices using flour; barnstorming; merging of different airlines. TRACK 2: Gordon Ballentine discusses: the Prince George run- he had sole discretion over how he got there; differences in aircraft; radio equipment description; oxygen on planes; uniform he wore as a pilot with Canadian Airways; lay-over period between flights; Lloyds, the insurer of airlines used to have a lot of say in airline operation; weight of load was not a precise science; getting lost on the way to Zeballos; searches; pilots were the 'individuals' of their generation; opinion of the union; solo bottles. CALL NUMBER: T3219:0004 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Gordon Ballentine discusses: the one time he flew after having a couple of drinks; Zeballos gold rush story- very bad weather, shipping gold out; survival equipment; pilots needed to be sensible in the old days; overloading of smaller aircrafts is a big problem. (End of interview) [TRACK 2: blank.]

CALL NUMBER: T4259:0005 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Harold E. Davenport RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-07-25 SUMMARY: Harold E. Davenport was born in 1902 and came to Canada from Britain in 1915. Commenced working for Canadian Air Force in 1923. One of the original employees of Pacific Airways in 1926. Ran own compan;y, Aircraft Service of B.C. from 1929-35. Work for White Pass Company in Yukon, 1936-41. Joined Pan American Airways, 1941. Maintenance supervisor for CP Airways, 1942-47. Retirement as inspector for ;Department of Transport, 1947. TRACK 1: Discusses the activity at Jericho Beach Air Station 1923-26. The founding of Pacific Airways. Flying fishing patrols. TRACK 2: Problems with Liberty engines an;d early flying incidents. Starting his own business in 1929. Aero Schools of Vancouver, the Glider Club of Vancouver, and Aircraft Service of B.C.;

CALL NUMBER: T4259:0006 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Harold E. Davenport RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-07-25 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Activity at Vancouver Airport in early 1930s. Moving to the Yukon and the changes aviation brought to northern living. Joining Pan Am then moving to CP. The Anyox riot of 1932. TRACK 2: Earl;y flying activity at Lulu Island Airport and the move to Sea Island. Glider flying in the 1930s. The value of experience.;

CALL NUMBER: T4259:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Lawrence Arthur Dakin RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-06-09 SUMMARY: Lawrence Arthur Dakin was born in Nanaimo on November 3, 1915. Moved to Vancouver at age 18. Took course at Vancouver Tech, Vancouver Aero Tech. Worked for Len Foggin (later Foggin's Flying Service). ;Became aircraft mechanic and later a pilot. TRACK 1: Discusses early life, starting in aviation with Vancouver Aero Tech and Len Foggin. Comments on Aero Club of British Columbia and Hal Wilson. TRAC;K 2: Other Vancouver fliers. Gilbert's Flying School. Tommy Jones. Flying fishery patrol with Canadian Airways. The Boeing Totem. Working for Coates Aircraft.;

CALL NUMBER: T4259:0004 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Lawrence Arthur Dakin RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-06-09 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Discusses some of the local pilots of the 1930s. Joining Canadian Pacific Airlines and wartime flying in Northern Alberta and B.C. TRACK 2: Post war flying with Canadian Pacific. The B.C. co;ast and the North Pacific.;

CALL NUMBER: T3222:0001 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Early aviation : Maurice McGregor RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Maurice McGregor discusses: his background- born in Victoria in 1911, attracted to the romance of flying after the Lindbergh flight; learned to fly from friend Hal Wilson- description of his first day of flight school; getting his private license, then his commercial; 1930- barnstorming out of Ladner, Roscoe Turner story, aerobatics; establishing his own flying school in Vancouver, but never really succeeding with that; operating a flying school in Victoria at Gordon Head; training Chinese pilots at this time- got to know the Chinese community, so he was asked to go to China to teach flying, but could not go because he was accepted by the R.C.A.F. for a navigation course; Prime Minister Bennett cut back on money for aviation, many people laid off; desire of many non-permanent R.C.A.F. men to go to China. TRACK 2: Maurice McGregor: China offered new opportunities for young pilots, ones that were not available in Canada -- but government in Canada would not allow pilots to go; government's cancellation of mail contracts; first air shows- Lulu Island in 1930, Trans Canada Air Pageant; worked briefly for Airland Manufacturing Company; Paddy Burke crash- he almost went on that flight; Ernest Eve- started the Ford Tri-motor operation, McGregor's father also involved in this company; became an officer in the 111 AC Squadron, R.C.A.F. non-permanent in Vancouver- involved doing tactical exercises, instrument flying, aerobatics; search-and-rescue missions; maps were very poor when he first started; many forced landings; surviving in plane crashes- needed to be tough; flying up the coast in the early '30s; fishery patrol. CALL NUMBER: T3222:0002 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Early aviation : Maurice McGregor RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Maurice McGregor: anecdote at McKay Lake- mechanical difficulties, tricky maneuvering; engine problems a few times- adventures connected to these experiences; getting involved in hauling fish from the north- experience with a snowstorm while bringing fish down to Kenora, competition between companies involved in this business, story about snarling huskies in a search-and-rescue; came back to the coast to open a base at Burns Lake- difficult days in the Depression; flying in dangerous weather conditions; anecdote about falling 30 feet out of a plane during a near fatal landing. TRACK 2: Maurice McGregor: more on story about the landing in which he and his passengers fell into the water; growth of Canadian Airways; making the transition from being a bush pilot to a commercial pilot; working for TCA after it took over Canadian Airways; he flew the Vancouver-Seattle route for TCA; moving to Winnipeg to deliver mail; became captain on the first official night airmail service on the Vancouver-Winnipeg route; trained by Americans for awhile; became supervisor of area between Winnipeg and Vancouver; outbreak of war- his role in training pilots, selecting radio range sites; then moved east, supervised various other regions during war. CALL NUMBER: T3222:0003 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Early aviation : Maurice McGregor RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Maurice McGregor: more on the growth of TCA- expansion of passenger flights; anecdote about flying Senator Gray Turgeon in 1935; expanding TCA service to all over the world; getting lost in Brazil right after the war; expanding to the Caribbean in 1948; after being with TCA for 15 years, he joined Canadian Pacific as director of development- first task was to negotiate agreements with foreign countries so CP could fly to these places; CP could not survive on travel to the Orient alone; going over to Pakistan to help them establish a first class airline- difficult, but interesting experience. TRACK 2: Maurice McGregor: more on his experiences in Pakistan and setting up an airline in this country; going back to B.C. and establishing his own company that concentrated on flying up the coast; selling his line to Northwest Industries; favourite planes he flew; impressions of CP Air, Air Canada; final thoughts about aviation history in B.C.. (End of interview)

CALL NUMBER: T4265:0020 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Rex Chandler RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-06-27 SUMMARY: Rex Chandler started aviation career with Aero Club of B.C. in the early 1930s. Went to Canadian Airways on fishery patrols, then back to Aero Club of B.C. Worked for Coates Aircraft Ltd. during WWII.; TRACK 1: Describes his early life and aviation activities at Vancouver's Lansdowne Field, 1929-31, at Vancouver Airport, post 1931, and Wells Air Harbour. TRACK 2: Starting to work for Aero Club of ;B.C. then working for Canadian Airways. Working part time for Boeing Aircraft of Canada.;

CALL NUMBER: T4265:0021 SUPPLIED TITLE OF TAPE(S): Pioneer Profiles project : Rex Chandler RECORDED: [location unknown], 1985-06-27 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Discusses learning aviation mechanics trade and operations at Canadian Airways. TRACK 2: Discusses Coates Aircraft Ltd.'s wartime aircraft overhaul facility at Vancouver.;

CALL NUMBER: T3221:0001 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Walter Gilbert discusses: his background- born in eastern Ontario in 1899, getting involved with the Royal Flying Corps of Britain in WW I, experiences in the war in France, came back in 1919; moving out to B.C. as soon as he returned to Canada; no active flying in 1919-20 in B.C.; Don MacLaren- started Pacific Airways at this time; differences between flying in the war and 'flying boats'; doing fisheries patrol, 1923-24; summers in Bella Bella and Prince Rupert; after 1927, he flew mainly in the Northwest Territories and the Yukon; takeover of Western Canada Airways by Canadian Airways; description of different types of airplanes; did not want to be part of Canadian Pacific after merger. TRACK 2: Walter Gilbert: description of Vancouver when he first arrived after WW I; getting to know Don MacLaren; fish patrol memories of the early 1920s; Queen Charlotte Islands experiences- first time many Indians had ever seen an airplane; no radio in the early days; fishery patrol for 7 years; ;then based out of Fort McMurray; weather conditions in the north; never had serious accidents; Lindbergh- flight anecdote, friendship.;

CALL NUMBER: T3221:0002 RECORDED: [location unknown], 1978 SUMMARY: TRACK 1: Walter Gilbert discusses: the grandfather route; Ginger Coote; Zeballos gold rush; more on Vancouver in 1921; clothing he wore as a pilot in open cockpit planes; loyalty to employer definitely existed; salaries; he was first president of Central British Columbia Airways- partner was Russ Baker, company started in early 1940s, did not do well business-wise; Alaska Highway surveying; did not like CPA- too many rules, not enough camaraderie; engine failure story- engine conked out near Fort McMurray. TRACK 2: Walter Gilbert: describes mountain goats in early days; occasional trouble with planes flying up to Alaska; anecdotes about Russ Baker; his first wife could fly- part of the 'Flying Seven'; Ginger Coote; book called "Arctic Pilot" by Walter (helped by Kathleen Shackleton)- no longer published; Helen Bristol; description of small towns on the coast, near Prince George; mosquitoes and black flies; weather conditions. (End of interview);